Maybe it is unfair, but my first reaction to the collection of things he wants LW to work on was Boyfriend is trying to sculpt a thinner partner.. Now, if he didnt react well to that, I might change it, but he says it is good to hear. I live on the other side of this equation. To literally hear them from an external source that would be really hard to take, and hard to stay healthy. I went through a phase when I asked him if he was feeling depressed almost every day at a point when he was beginning to feel better. So many hugs to you. Thats their job, not yours., I once dated a guy who was really, really into strength training. He seems to be sorry for everything these days. Feelings of shame and guilt. We sat side by side on the couch, and he told my therapist how much he loved me, how much he wanted to help me, and how much it hurt him to see me suffering. Maybe BF wants to push you because he thinks your mental health just requires external pushing. I get the feeling that even if LW does everything the boyfriend wants, and eats all her veggies and does a few triathlons and gets a job modeling for Vogue and is elected President of the Universe, there will always still be something else for him to criticize. Sometimes she gives me general approval to do something if shes having a rough time (food check-ins) and other things only count as very specific situational approval that has to be renewed any time I do it (phoning her psych, removing sharp objects). He may even try and find an alternative route so he can avoid spending time alone with you, or cancel at the last moment if he does suggest it because something came up. There are other ways to address issues without him going cold on you. Controlling never helps this situation, taking care of me and then helping him as he asks to be helped is what helps this situation. Its just really hard to take that final step sometimes, and back off, but its exactly what I need to do. We help each other a ton: I carry the groceries and he holds me and listens when I need it. (and having dated somebody like LWs partner in the past when I was severely depressive I really kind of just want to SHOOT HIM.). I hope Im wrong, but LW, I think your boyfriend would do the exact same thing. So hes trying to use your own recovery to manipulate you youre not just exercising because you want to, youre exercising because HE wants you to in the way he wants. He has completely stopped doing anything and we don't ever go out and if we do, he has to be forced basically. Seriously, FUCK HIM (and not in a fun way). Theres also a significant element of what he wants/feels entitled to in there. Hmmm, actually, that wasnt the post I was thinking of. People arent all good or all bad, but its okay to leave a good person if theyre treating you badly. First, I starred (*) the script about diet and exercise above, because I think you should just stop reporting any of this to him and should in fact treat it as highly weird that he wants to know. Speaking of unconventional food pairings The Peanut-Butter and Bacon sandwich is a surprisingly delicious comfort-food combo (I like to toast the bread and add a dash of worcestershire sauce). This is a guy who shuts down when hes mad. If he realizes how much fun his girlfriend is and misses the way she used to make him laugh all the time, hell come crawling back to you. If your guy used to care and suddenly cant be bothered, thats a red flag. 14. Especially when someone you love isnt ready or isnt currently up to taking steps for their own well-being. Release your grip and be open to any possibility in your relationship. Dont be accusatory or judgmental when you do this. Emotional detachment. That said, hes gotten very good about saying, OK, I can take over X now, please stop when X can be things like make sure I take my meds, make sure I eat, make sure I fill my pill pack, etc. He seems to be framing it as good diet and exercise will make you feel better rather than be thinner but I wonder if the latter is his true goal here. There doesnt have to be any malice or entitlement in it. I told my dude that when I dont eat I get crankier and that I need to eat and i specifically told him that if I try to get out of eating he should provide me with food. ME. My (23 F) boyfriend (25 M) has stopped showering during lockdown and for the past 2 months has only been spraying Febreze on himself. We both loved science fiction. My therapist and I called this Shoulding all over me. It sounds like BF is unhappy with the relationship, but feels like LW has it in her control to make the relationship better, so he is taking it out on her for not being the idealized version of herself. This does not sound like how you want to be loved, or being loved for who you are, but who someone thinks you should be. Things that actually help, like making me food, or cuddling me and telling me how great I am, or watching funny videos with me, or playing Who Let the Dogs Out (I dont care if its the Worst Song of All Time, it ALWAYS improves my mood). What your boyfriend is doing -whether he means to or not is *exactly* the issue that you are going to therapy to deal with. I think this is great advice. We have no investment in that relationship, we dont feel the love they share. Your partner becomes angry not in response to specific things that they observe, but by broad elements that they infer. I use up a lot of my energy every day just trying to keep myself vaguely adequately fed, and having somebody help out like that can be such a good thing. http://fathom.lib.uchicago.edu/1/77777760800/, https://captainawkward.com/2011/11/05/question-130-my-partner-is-depressed-and-i-am-drowning/, https://captainawkward.com/2013/01/05/429-430-when-depression-is-contagious/, Follow CaptainAwkward.com on WordPress.com. I watched my parents relationship work this dynamic for years. The first thing is take a deep breath, relax. Clear your mind and take a step back, try not to have any irrational thoughts. But the way he goes about it is you need to exercise today. Do not wait until the stress of dealing with him makes your fingers itch for a sharp object (or whatever). But in my mind, thats a world away from dismissing the idea of comfort altogether. And when he realized that I wasnt counting walking as exercising but really enjoyed it, he encouraged me to think of walking as exercise, brainstormed ways WITH ME to fit it into my day more, offered to walk with me, and asked me if I wanted a pedometer (note: he did not just buy me one), 4) when I felt like I couldnt do anything but lay on the couch and rewatch TV shows Id already seen, he sat next to me and read, or watched his own shows with headphones in and just quietly let me know he was there WITHOUT JUDGEMENT. I genuinely loved him, and in his way, I think he loved me too. The situation seems chock full of red flags to me. They are tools that we need to use precisely because we always have our biases clouding our judgment, and they help us cut through those to get to the essential facts. The first thing you need to do is figure out what's bothering him or if he has a problem that isn't about you. LW, you are already doing so much good stuff for yourself, and at your own pace. Your bf is trying to make you break up with him. But I do also think the LW is getting quite enough You should from their boyfriend. Another script LW may want to try: How does this affect you?'. Like, there are healthy relationships where both people agree to certain situations where person A asks to be prompted to do X and person B does so. He wants LW to do these things so he doesnt have to deal with depressed LW (he thinks). Boyfriend is still back in the pre-treatment you have no idea what youre doing because depression has fucked up your brain thing and is still in triage mode. Im so much happier now and I experience so much less strain in my inner life with striving to justify every little feeling and decision. He means well is one of those phrases that is just full of NOPE. But I really appreciate CAs gentleness to LW about that. I think you are being unreasonable, he has apologized and you sending him that long message saying he's selfish was rude and uncalled for yet he apologized to you AGAIN. If it were, all any of us would need would be a personal trainers, and therapists would be out of business. I spent four years in a relationship like that, where nothing was ever good enough and taking steps to be a better Me was met with derision and controlling behaviours, and I know so much how hard it is. I have an ex my friend refers to as The Physical Manifestation of MellifluousDissents (Formerly) Low Self-Esteem. I suspect this b/f may belong to that club as well. Value to him also includes your offering of feminine energy and responsiveness, your surrender to connection moment by moment (which helps deepen your connection and renew his deep attachment to you). This helps us because it is a concrete thing he can do (yay I am helping someone I love) and actually helps me. Has the boyfriend pulled out stories of other people who have similar problems and yet manage to be super-awesome-amazing-overachievers? Get a cookbook and try new recipes out with each other. A lot of times he may have hinted you before that there was something that bothered him. The thing here is that logic and reason are being juxtaposed against emotion as binary opposites. I agree! He used to love celebrating special occasions like birthdays, anniversaries or any important date in your life; but now these days seem to be forgotten too. So this guy is trying everything he can to fix the LWbut since depression makes people act against their best interests, the boyfriend doesnt trust said LW to deal with this on their own. Make lifestyle changes to ensure you're getting enough sleep, eating healthy diet, and exercising regularly. What good is texting someone if youre not really building any kind of connection with them or meeting up in person to have real conversations about something other than how their day was or what they had for lunch? . Dump him and flee, because you are not a heap, and you are not an embryo. avert! If she is similar, then making it easier to have the social thing happen and harder to get out of once agreed to may be helpful. Ok its possible I need a fix of both Buffy and chocolate chip cookies. He didnt like it when I asked him to not share diet advice. But its still a good idea to evaluate your relationship and whether your Dude is amenable to changing his behaviour when youve expressed a desire for him to Quit Doing That Thing, and what that might mean about how much he respects you. I recognize that it can be really frustrating to coexist with someone elses depression, but the thing is, your boyfriend is not obligated to stay if he cant deal with it. You've forgotten your dreams. One notable occasion was when I got interested in a new industry and there was a 3 day workshop I wanted to attend. Like the Captain said, if it helps you have the conversation, totally go for it. Demand constant direct Snaps, video calls, phone calls and dedicated videos. ), and he usually shuts up when I tell him I dont find his comments helpful if it was all the time, every day, over every basic thing like eating dinner.. that would be more emotionally exhausting than I could deal with, and Id like to think Id be weighing up leaving as an option, although its never easy. Right now it feels like youre breaking up because youre not good enough for him, but in a very short while, it will become evident that youre breaking up because hes not good enough for you. His schedule may simply become too full and leave no room for romance. Do you think you might try that?-level of caretaking from and for a partner, and it sucks to be in either role when you dont know if or when things will get better. Also, I think its wonderful you put food down in front of her. So if your partner was showing signs of depression themselves, (you know the signs) that would be a reasonable reaction. You are doing FINE. Yup. I will always be a survivor of sexual assault and emotional abuse who has depression and obsessive compulsive tendencies. Boyfriend stopped calling me cute pet names. So, try to know, whether he has stopped watching your stories or everyone's stories. Independently from what you decide, be aware of that. This a) allows me to see places that I normally wouldnt be able to get to (much of Europe and North America, selected bits of South America, Asia, Australia), b) floods the brain weasels with new impressions without having to get out of the house (and the more impressions I stuff my brain with, the less it falls into the same old ruts), and c) it completely turns the I have to sit on a stationary bike and stare at a wall for twenty minutes around on its head: its now a case of I can explore [cool place] for twenty minutes at my own pace without much effort and Im quite often annoyed when I have to stop. Ugh, people who think their duty to hound you into achieving your potential is more important than your need to be listened to when you say you dont like that and they should stop! Going from being in a rough place to feeling better is a huge accomplishment, but it can be a tender one too. At first eagerly, because I was curious. Set the boundary with your boyfriend, let him say whatever hes going to say, and try not to internalize any of it. He has literally never done this. Even from a 5-year-old thats pretty immature. Because my fianc and I worked things out and are in a good place now, I am hesitant to just say ~DTMF~, but your boyfriend needs to realize that monitoring someone elses habits (even your eating habits!) When I look back, I wonder, why did I ever even get in his car without making him tell me a destination? So, I thought about it and suggested I could go buy him a bunch of veggies he likes and he could randomly munch on those when he had cravings. It sings a familiar refrain, and it so neatly echoes what your Jerkbrain sounds like or sounded like before you started getting treatment for your depression. In the most recent invention, a group of university students in China created a kissing device that lets you make out with your partner from across the seas, country, or city. Respect is really important in relationships. My boyfriend is having problems with his family and some others issues. You are worth loving for who you are, and you are worth loving the way you want to be loved. I used to joke about a self-help book called Im OK, Youll Be Okay When I Get Done With You: Ive never seen a copy, but clearly it exists and lots of people have read it. He still has episodes but they are further apart and not as bad when they happen, because a big chunk of the emotional part of his depression was seated in a feeling of helplessness, and owning his own stuff made him feel competent. At first, these negative aspects of our relationship were very minor. something her boyfriend disagrees with, he ought to say, I really disagree with that or I really dont think thats a good idea. Instead hes cutting her down and belittling her. Youre should-ing all over yourself. Stuart Smalley (aka Sen. Al Franken). Well. You cant have all your food be treats otherwise youre not actually eating healthy food, but they are needed or you burn out and develop an eating disorder. Thats such an underhand control technique, as is the not-so-subtle belittling that happens in the guise of help.. And hey, when you want to use him as a sounding board for something, maybe this reminder will help: Asking advice or needing help with one thing isnt an invitation for advice about everything. I can't believe it. I hope you find your way to a nagging-free home, one way or another. I find that the occasional session of length swimming makes me feel mentally great for a while afterwards, but I will also be exhausted for the rest of the day and not be able to get anything done, and usually experience a mood crash too. So, think about how much of this does or does not seem to fit. It sounds like you two have a chance. We broke up, but were still friends today, and he honestly tried his best. That was published just a few weeks after I dumped my ex for basically being both of those LWs SOs. I used similar, but not as good actually, scripts to CAs, and they worked (eventually). What causes these fights in the first place? You wish your boyfriend was as attentive and loving as he was at the beginning of your relationship. One way we help one another is literally asking How can I help support you on this? Whose fing body is it anyway, buddy? And you dont need to accept this as appropriate treatment. And what am I doing while Im waiting for her to stop the one-sided argument Im passively agreeing to? When you don't tell him why he might just brush you off. He can just take you and chisel at you until he gets the enthusiastic, bubbly, thin dream-partner he wants out of what he sees to be a depressive heap. Do you know whether his goals match up with your goals? The relationship is no longer going anywhere, Ill let you have your way simply so we can stop talking about it. When Dude just tells you that he knows best for you, that is patronising as fuck. Similarly, with the do more cleaning thing theres plenty of plausible deniability, because living with someone who doesnt pick up after themselves sucks. Ive asked him to stop trying to get me to change, that you cant change other people, but he refuses to accept that, to the point that he says its the stupidest thing hes ever heard. Obviously YMMV, but Ive added that to my ever expanding list of red flags, right after people who proudly announce that they have no filter!! theres a bigamist in my family tree too- except he faked his own death. It could be as simple as he just no longer feels like being around you, which means there isnt much motivation for making an effort either. Not because Ive been on the receiving endactually quite the opposite, as I was in a relationship with someone who was constantly miserable and did absolutely nothing to try and rectify it. I didnt do it for you. When he complains that youre not cleaning, is it because youve actually made a mess? 1. To the point where I didnt want to go out because I couldnt take another lecture on how horrible I was. Your boyfriend should be treating you with love and compassion, not telling you your efforts are Not Good Enough (seriously, WTF?!). You should always have an independent life that doesnt revolve around anyone else. Tell him the reasons why so he can understand. Yeah, this may be coming from a place of already focusing a bit intensely on food and exercise (history of disordered eating and over-exercise here) but to me this sounds like a recipe for mental health disaster. Honestly its tough. He is like the fucking human incarnation of depression. Like. +1 absolutely, always. Anger is a perfectly valid thing to feel when a partner is depressed, what really matters is what you do about it. He Stopped Calling. When your brain says ok, Im done exercising today, and instead of that being paired with anticipation of his disapproval, there is just sweet, sweet self-accepting silence. So pointing out that their inspirations and coaching actually make it worse probably wont make it through either. Him: Im disappointed that you arent trying to improve your diet the way I said. You: NOT YOUR CALL.. You may not actually want to be friends with her, but civility doesn't hurt. This boyfriend does not sound like good news to me. I hope your boyfriend comes around, but I offer you my best wishes and confidence in your judgment no matter whether he does or not. I might even be texting a new girl nothing that crosses the line, but maybe dipping my toes in the water. He used to be the one who cheered you up when you were down, but now he is also always in a bad mood. Encouragement works so much better than harping on all the ways you could be doing more. I am going to assume that dude loves you and just wants to help you get better because he knows you want to get better.. A few weeks ago I started to notice that, well, he kind of smelled bad. You have a conversation, maybe two, maybe several and nothing seems to be wrong. Applauding your friends and remembering this one for future use. That was threatening to him. Not good. Your walking wasnt exercise enough for him??! Even after I told him I wasnt interested in doing that, hed bring it up ad naseum. But, as I pointed out, were different people. When the passion is gone in a relationship it means the good stuff thats supposed to fuel you through the bad stuff is no longer there, meaning, theres simply no point in pretending I care if the girl has wacky opinions about something. How can I make him remember I am the special girlfriend he used to dot on? For example, they might mad that you didnt fold the laundry when you said you would, or frustrated at coming home to find you in bed asleep with your clean, untouched gym clothes on the bed, when you said you were going to work out. If what he says pisses you off, take it as a good sign that your self-respect and self-preservation instincts are waking up and working. Thank you. There will always be something that can be improved, because people are people, and people are imperfect. I dont know what your boyfriends views on your therapist or on therapy in general are, but he might use a comment like this as evidence that your therapist clearly has no clue whats going on in your life so you should just listen to him and do everything he says. This is a guy who hasnt figured out that nagging doesnt work despite all kinds of evidence to the contrary. It's concering to me that he never wants to do anything nice together or . What is that one spot where youve always wanted to go but never had a chance yet? Pick one.. Wow, what a trainwreck/mindfuck. He says I need to do more, try harder, and not let myself be comfortable., are moreRed Flags. Sometimes its nice to have a gentle push towards a sincerely held goal, but getting mad at you for not meeting some standards that he made up? To be honest, I almost wonder if he said that because he felt he needed to say something (because maybe peanut-butter and chocolate chip sandwiches arent the most common meal and sometimes its hard not to comment on that?) Apologise, and never say that to me again.. (From knowing my mother I now if shed had any reservations she would have allowed herself to tell me about them as many times as she could. The way he goes about it though, is damaging my self-esteem and is a constant source of youre not good enough for me. And it shouldnt sound like shes opening the floor to discussion on that one. Ways this manifests: BOY does he like to research before making a decision. He explains that his current girlfriend has a dog that she kept after she and her ex broke up. Not. It also sounds like massive hyperbole. All unsolicited helping has a certain degree of arrogance to it because it necessarily implies that the helpee could not get this done without you. Do not copy, print, or repost entire posts elsewhere without written permission. You can also go to the civil route and try and sue him for it since it is in your name and belongs to you. Being badgered about food choices and exercise choices isnt going to help the LW build good habits. Stop. Jedi hugs, if you want them. It took someone else to look horrified and reading the archives of CA or me to realise he would continue to hurt me because he didnt care about Actual me and my Actual feelings but the Girlfriend who he had in his head that bore no relation to who I was at all. This may also disarm any exes who set out to be hostile. When I am at home, I just need to chill out. LW, has your boyfriend ever really articulated as in, clearly stated and put down in a measurable fashion what his goals for you are? He cooks and I cook but we never leave the house. I dont need bullying at that point -my brain does that for me- I need sustenance and caring. It also ties into one of the Captains ideas of spending time with your partner who has depression in the spirit of liking and wanting to spend time with them as a person, not a project. I am so mad at you for having cancer! See the problem? Too many arguments lead up to less making an effort. I have to consciously remind myself sometimes that feelings are allowed because I would like life better if I could reason them away, or at the very least put them in a box labeled This feeling serves X purpose. 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